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Fla....crash

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Crashing Flash 3D games like a rockstar since 2012

The less traveled path is often more dangerous. Right now, we are on the cutting edge. We can tell. Mostly because we are getting cut a lot. Cut deep by a never ending sea of technical glitches, bugs, crashes, and oddities. Things are going to get a lot better in the very near future. I know it will. But today, *wipes brow*, we are going to need some bandaids.

Immediately following our last test of the AdventureQuest 3D walk/chat/multiplayer server engine, we announced that we were going to return to focusing on getting it working in Flash. This was mostly because of Adobe's announcement. Tomorrow was our deadline to get the flash version of AQ3D online. While we are aware of the extension, we continued pushing through the nights and weekends of the past month just as if the deadline had not changed. So, knowing us, it will not surprise you to find out that a Flash version of the game engine (which, as previously stated, does not actually work in the newest, current version of Flash) is now complete. WHAT!? Yes. We stealth launched it earlier today. Before I give you a clue to where it is and you go hunting for the mysterious 3D game that only crashes your web browser unless you downgrade to a potentially dangerous old version of Flash, there are a few things you need to know...

Knowing is half the battle!

  • Wait... Nope, combat is disabled. It is 0% of the battle.
  • The Flash version of the game looks graphically worse than the previous version. (Because most of our pixel shaders are not supported in the Unity to Flash conversion... yet.)
  • Silly things like "the right shift key" are not supported making logging in infuriating.
  • Because of the severity of these issues, we are not giving any bonus AlphaPoints for this part of the test. We would prefer everyone wait until the next (and stable) version of the game is released before doing any testing. That is, you will still get the same 250 AlphaPoints if you wait until we release the next version of the game which will be compatible with the current version of Flash.  In fact, we should give you more for waiting.
  • The male animations are incorrect causing him to run like a broken version of the Hunchback of Notre Dame.
  • The mesh combiner can take up to 3 minutes to complete making load times an excellent time to boil an egg, draw a derp painting, or reflect on how the game just crashed, again, which is why you are re-loading... again. (Speaking from experience.)
  • The game does not run on the current version of Flash. We are purposefully NOT posting instructions on how to downgrade your Flash because honestly, it is not a very good idea and if you do not know how to do it, you probably should not be trying to do it. 
  • If you want to go take a look at the website where the game is... here is a hint: It is the domain name that we aquired (story in a previous post) because it was our games original initials and contained inappropriate stuff.

But there is good news!
A FOX News reporter is coming to the lab tomorrow. I am really anxious to show him our new... oh god.


"The glass is half... AWESOME!"
Sure, things look grim. But this is what it is like being on the cutting edge. It is only a matter of time before things magically flip and everything suddenly comes together. For the moment, we are sitting on the edge of our seats, waiting for the updated version of the Flash exporter to be released. I appriciate how wonderfully patient you are. Yergen suggested that we run some sort of monster designing contest while we wait. Thyton already has a stack of monster concepts a mile high, but it would be cool if the winning original entry became one of the 1st monsters in the game. It would be a drawing contest, so Xero would do the 3D modeling. What do you think? (Log in and comment below)

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donis kay
donis kay: 1st comment yeah!!!!!!! is a great idea for this awesome game in 3D
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bull12
bull12: I feel it is a great idea artists will be over joyed and when exactly is the release of the new flash player
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AQWs Disturbed117
AQWs Disturbed117: Do it up...contest sounds like lot of fun
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Aroninia
Aroninia: That would be a GREAT idea!
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Unless a drgon or something similar wins.
I wouldnt want to have to fight a boss as the first monster of the game... especially when everyone is only level 1.
But a zard or turtle or something would be cool.
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BloodWynne
BloodWynne: So many crashes, so much fun. It's almost enough to make me go ahead and run another browser with an older Flash just to get the laughs.

Might want to keep that reporter away from the new game. Fox likes to "creatively edit" things, you know? :P

Art contest? YES!

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Sartere
Sartere: Sounds like a great idea! But I think you should make the monster a dungeon boss, not a basic, non-kickbutt monster.
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 零
零 : Yes, we should have a monster designing contest. I've only recently discovered the Gallery on the forums, and it's pretty much dead, but the gathering of artists may be a surefire way to revive it. So, yes, monster designing contest all the way! :)
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DaiTigris
DaiTigris: Oh dear, I'm surprised you guys haven't hit blue screens of death yet. Hopefully you'll be able to at least show the Fox reporter what the game looked like before it was imported it into flash.

Monster design contest? Oh yes, that would be awesome!
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wolvesgod
wolvesgod: Eheheheh I know what the domain name is. XD

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Swordsman of Worlds
Swordsman of Worlds : Man...I didn't think the Flash conversion would be this much trouble. But I applaud you AE for finishing the conversion one day before your original deadline, even though it's still infested with bugs and other technical problems. Even if you hadn't been able to convert it to Flash, I would gladly install the Unity plugin just to play this game. I don't know if you can get it released before my next semester of college begins at the and of August, but I can hope. Keep it up, guys. BATTLE ON! ;D
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Solec
Solec: Hey, i'm a fan you AE and have been here for a while, while i'm not the best artist i was wondering if (and when) you will in fact be having the contest. I have a few original ideas I personally would like to submit and have hi hopes hopes that i could get one or two of my ideas in the game. I have always loved the games and have always wanted to be part of the process. Hope to have a reply!
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Vekyo
Vekyo: Sounds like a plan!
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Blizzard
Blizzard: I thought downgrading your flash version was a joke because I didnt think it was possible. >.< I guess I wont be playing this test. :P But I did notice the changes earlier today. The status change on this site, and you added AQ3D to the portal site, which was pretty cool. Keep everything up and I'm still excited :D

-Blizzard
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AlethiaAE
AlethiaAE: As I have spoken to you over twitter Artix, the team should consider a downloadable client. I understand that it is a 'trademark/trend' for AE to create browser games. This is for the best and if you would like to bring out 'quality' towards your customer, it is highly suggested. We are all downloading things, without even thinking. Simply watching a youtube video is downloading - any information that we are receiving over the internet is download. For the sake of the flash crashes/errors and FPS/lag issues, consider this.

There shouldn't be a big deal in having this 'all new' unique MMO that your team will be creating a downloadable client. If you're still hesitant on this idea, you can always look into on what Spiral Knights did with their MMO. Players have a choice of playing the game over the browser or a downloadable client. Oh, must I also suggest, if it will be a downloadable client, have it available over steam as well! :)
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Darkgriffen
Darkgriffen: Sounds like a great idea! I also really like how your posts on here are entertaining... =] They help pass the time!
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Necrocious
Necrocious: Wow...not sure how you guys are able to have such amazingly tough determination, but i suppose without it we wouldn't have any of your games. All the same keep up the Half...AWESOME work, and personally i think tons of people would love a monster designing contest.
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bignt
bignt: so theres no alpha test on august the 1st ? :( i was waiting all month for this. hope you guys can fix most of the problems and can't wait for the alpha test (whenever it is -.-). Also it would be awsome if you done a drawing contest :D
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Kersaw
Kersaw: Woo Hoo! Go Atrix and the rest of the team, you can sleep when your dead(or when you pass out at your desk drooling all over your keyboard...) Im looking forward to this most of all and im tempted to go down to gamestop take a picture of and aqw upgrade card then purchase it, just so i can play the alpha of this and be come an ALPHA KNIGHT!
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Zetralus
Zetralus: I would totally enter a monster contest, like Thyton I too have a stack of monster concepts :D
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Kheldar
Kheldar: DRAWING MONSTERS YEAAAAH!!!! I THINK I HAVE FIRST COMMENT YEEEEEEEEAH!!! THIS IS AWESOME YEEEEAH!
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Kylestien
Kylestien: Personaly I would like to have both a Art Contest for monsters and possibly some kind of Character/Side Story/ETC Contest to go with it. When the Herosmash Become the main villain contest was announced, (By the way, the whole situation with Herosmash meant that did not happen and it was effectivly canceled, so sad face there) some were angry that stories were not allowed, and some of the people in the L and L forums can write REALLY good tales and whatnot.
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ningago
ningago: i cant log in
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Lord Ur
Lord Ur: Does anyone know if flash 11.1.102.55 with run the test?
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Gjappy
Gjappy: Aww, I can't login.
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Naze UB
Naze UB: I found the PLAY button (portal.battleon.com) but i cant log in : Invalid imput(s) ... Server is offline ?
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Da Skilled One
Da Skilled One: Yeah me neither when I login it writes : Invalid Input(s). and btw when its the official live release of the game and is it going to be f2ap
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Da Skilled One
Da Skilled One: And a drawing contest would be extra dope no doubt about that ! Got plenty of ideas ;)
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protronicus
protronicus: think it is a good idea. also, why doesn't diozz do a evil villans of lore poster with the evil opposite of soul of a hero,Like,heart of a villan? p.s just thought of that yesterday:D
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Zhing
Zhing: Sounds good==the contest thing i mean.
Can't wait for the Fox News thing!!! I (meaning, my parents and sometimes me) watch Fox News all the time and love it can't wait for AE to be on!!! That will be so AWESOME/EPIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! please tell me when it airs so i can watch it!!
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Gryphon_
Gryphon_: Cool a contest ^^

Going to get started :O
maybe if I have time I'll try to model it in 3D too for fun.
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svrsaver
svrsaver: sounds awesome and can someone tell me how to downgrade
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Withered
Withered: When will the sepulchure's armor quests update in aqw?

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Eberwolf
Eberwolf: Would love to send some monster designs your way!
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pkmnmastah
pkmnmastah: worst fail since i started playing again( more then 2 years ago). but yeah do the contest.
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kenshin894
kenshin894: hell yeah :D
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BladeMaster
BladeMaster: Yeah :D It's fun to see how creative some of our fellow players have ~<3
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big jester
big jester: how do you downgrade pleez help
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laagoon 200
laagoon 200: i don't get it so will the server running today?and if,when? i couldn't do alpha test the first time the server was on because i couldn't see the sock puppet show because i wasn't home that day then i found out it already passed . I just want to be an alpha tester i really want to help and get some exclusive stuff yes but i really wanna help get the game going so every one can play it and it will run more efficiently
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The Final Boss Epic Nate!
The Final Boss Epic Nate!: Can't Wait To play! I couldn't physically play the first alpha... out of town... :-(
I MUST PLAY NOW!!!!!!
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Z Man
Z Man: You should totally do the designing contest. I'm doing a... wait! its a secret!
P.S Artix, u never play epicduel. will you pleeeease try it?
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Revenger
Revenger: OMG I AM PLAYING!!!! IT IS SOOO COOL!!!! WORKS LIKE A CHARM!
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Revenger
Revenger: Also, it overheats sooo much. Just 2 minutes of playing and my mac is burning hot and you can hear it.
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Celticspirit
Celticspirit: new flash player is working on my computer
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Sasuke_kool1
Sasuke_kool1: Wait the game is open? How do I open it? Like what's the link.
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Jamez Raden
Jamez Raden: How do i play the game?
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dragonmagic9999
dragonmagic9999: when I can play aq3d?
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Sucao
Sucao: How do you open the game, it wont seem to open when clicking on the picture link
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director123billy
director123billy: hint hint!

www.AQ??.com

Whats the last two letter figure it out!
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The Resistance
The Resistance: Guys go to portal.battleon.com and scroll down on the homepage you'll find the adobe flash testing server. which currently will piss you off, the alpha test is at this link :game.aq3d.com/game/ until then good luck if you have problems visit forums and nythera will help
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PiXeLPerFect
PiXeLPerFect: How To play Where is the Link To it ???
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Takkun
Takkun: I down graded my flash player to try the game but it still crashes
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glassr
glassr: Artix, for som reason i just cant even download flashplayer on my mac. but maybe you could work on the unity version so we mac users may play the game more easily.

GLASSROCKET OOOOOOOOUUUUTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!
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Skippydoo
Skippydoo: wow I'm so thrilled to have a shot at alpha testing... I missed the last alpha test but now i check the site every day so i can catch the next one for sure!
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rezpect24
rezpect24: can u please tell us on your facebook page when you're gonna test the server..??
coz i've booked my name, but didnt play it yet, and i missed the first "alpha test" on this game :3
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director123billy
director123billy: Sigh... If you want the link think about the hint! If you don't think about it! Nobody is going to give it to you! Hope some users see this!
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SulkingKING
SulkingKING: I've been with you guys for a large portion of my life! Took you guys long enough to figure out that in today's gaming age, 3D is the best seller. I love your quarky sense(s) of humor, and taste in.. well... Everything! (Except perhaps Holy Wassabi: Artix Entertainment, LLC. Brand~) I just found out today that the Alpha has become Open, but sadly I found that you need a (terribly) old version of Flash to use it.. so I'll just wait til you work out the kinks with the Flash player.

I've also noticed recently, alot of indie game companies like to use the Unity Web Player.. I've had problems with this on more than one account. The "Family Guy Online" game uses it, and I've NEVER been able to log in on it properly with my Windows Vista acer, but I was able to log in with a (VERY) outdated computer. Hopefully your game doesn't follow this trend if you choose to continue with the Unity Web Player.

*Cough* And guys who want to 'downgrade their flashplayer', please know that if you do, you'll be seeing EVERYTHING ELSE except this game become all derpy, and your computer just might hate you for doing it. I've read reviews for the initial update of that version, and they're notsogood. Not at all. So I urge other people who are rather tech-savy to NOT tell others how to downgrade. Not in the form of greed, but moreso in the form of protecting people from Flash Player Suicide. *Cough*

Woot, longest Comment ever.
~SulkingKING~
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TheChillWill
TheChillWill: Okay, just a few suggestions.
1. Graphics - The models are pretty good, loved the Cambell NPC. But, you gotta make texturing just a little better. At least as good as Minecraft, pl0x.
2. Animations - Hips should always move first. Also, can you make a seperate model for the eyes, and animate it so that it blinks, like in AQW.
3. Movement - I dislike the "hold mouse" to look around kinda thing. You should make it where if you press ctrl,. it switches modes. Like a mode where you can move the view of the character around freely without clicking, and another for activities that you might need the mouse for, like buying items, etc.
4. Dynamic Weather and Time - Real-time weather and time system depending on your studio's time zone, and season.
5. Fullscreen - Please add full screen so I can record with FRAPS instead of bad recorders like Hypercam and Camtasia.
6. Voice Acting - Pl0x.
7. Why don't you just use Unity instead of Flash Player? With the Unity player, it runs better as you said, and graphics are slightly better.

Anyways, it's awesome for an Alpha test. I can tell it;s going to be better than AQW. Can't wait until the Beta tests, where things are more "refined". Good job, guys!
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ningago
ningago: the contest sounds good
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Runixer
Runixer: guys i saw a lot of comments asking for a downloadable client, it's not going to happen.
unlike other 3D MMORPGs like Dungeons & Dragons Online, AQ3D is running in flash, wich is fully server-sided. in DDO the files are on your computer and the game KNOWS how to load them from there, but in flash it's all on the server and your'e using it from there.

and for those who know that and say "hey Artix, we know that you cant make a downloadable client for a flash game, and we know it's a trend for you making browser games, so can you just use another coding language?" i want to tell you: it's not a trend, IT'S THEIR JOB AT AE to make Flash-based games that run in your web-browser, that's what they know to do and that's what they do since 2003. it works pretty well so why would they stop everything, delete and remake from scratch? they DON'T KNOW how to make non-flash games because they aren't sepose to (well maybe some of them know other coding languages but they still use flash and FLASH ONLY)
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Celticspirit
Celticspirit: testing at aq3d.com
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evanmmm12
evanmmm12: cant wait till phase 2 comes out phase 1 doesnt work or well the next beta update
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santutu60
santutu60: wow fox news. though it's not showed where i live it's still a pretty big news channel. BATTLE ON! and good luck.
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Lord Suzunami
Lord Suzunami: Will there be Paladin High Lord & DoomKnight Overlord classes in AQ3D?
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BEASTLY POTATO
BEASTLY POTATO: When i enter my user and pass it says "invalid entry(s)"
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BEASTLY POTATO
BEASTLY POTATO: Input(s) not entry(s) srry
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Rune_knight80
Rune_knight80: i love the test though it crashes i think you guys should add on to the one thing you can do in aq3d thats new to all your other games climbing around and finding cool stuff i love jumping off the rock 30 feet down onto a gravestone and the first monster should be a skeletal warriors of both sides of the of the dage v nulgath war
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SketchyFellow
SketchyFellow: I got a few important questions, if you will.
I just registered for AQ3D, seems to be running okay for an Alpha/Beta. But...
1. When I come into the game, my HP isn't full. If the red bar is HP. Why?
2. How do I gain Alpha Points? And what do they do?
3. I can't see any other people moving around. Why?
4. There are several locations throughout the gamespace where glitches occur (duh, Alpha test.) But I'd like to point them out anyway. When you enter the gamespace, and go to the right, and forward, forward, forward, there's an unnecessary triangle where you can't go. You can move around the triangle, which contains grass, flowers, and a tree, but not into it. Also, some of the rock walls' rocks are physically permeable. My character phases into them.
Either way, awesome game and epic effort for Alpha/Beta 3d game. Battle On!
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SketchyFellow
SketchyFellow: Btw, Lenore's pun.
I like it.
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vinitoph775
vinitoph775: Seria muito bom.... Se esse concurso for aberto para o público eu irei postar um monstro também, quem sabe dois, se puder é claro!

Vinícius Henrique.
Brasil e AQ3D juntos!
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Vaaren Daroes
Vaaren Daroes: I would love a contest!!!!!!! I have a drawing I've wanted to enter for over 4 years now, but it never felt right to try until now with this game. It was just too.... much. But a 3D game would do this justice. I really hope you do that! :D
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zygmunt1
zygmunt1: game looks awesome, cant wait for it to be released without any bugs,crashes etc.
also "BEASTLY PETATO" it says that because the server was offline.you have to wait until it comes online then you will be able to log on
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Nienna
Nienna: Hey, mac players. Adobe is no longer offering 11.2 for mac from their site. You'll need to find a third party. google; flash 11.2.202.228 mac and about 4 pages in you'll find some sites that are offering old downloads. I think I got mine from apponic but be sure to test it before you install it. Good luck guys!
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Holopeor
Holopeor: Guys I stuck at Building Level... after login and press play. I use this site http://game.aq3d.com/flash/ please someone help me :)
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Withered
Withered: When will Seppy's armor finally release? AE hasn't updated Doom Wood II in a long, long time. I really wanted Seppy's armor, but AE probably will never release that OR
The Blinding Light of Destiny. I really wanted that armor, and now I'm FURIOUS at AE for not releasing it.
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big jester
big jester: first off if you want to play go to http://www.aq3d.com/ next I would like to say that the game is so LAGIE it is horrible I love ae games and I hope you fix this secoud I keep trying to acces the npcs and I cant I have tried clicking on him and it does nothing the only thing I can really do is sometimes walk and look at instuctions can any one give Ideasto make it funer
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daugz
daugz: Ugh some1 plz help me where that website is ive waited for a long time what the game will be like, and now i cant find the website. Plz some1 help me.
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Elite_Chaotic_Ninja
Elite_Chaotic_Ninja: wow... crashy... 2 things, 1: I don't think I got an invite, 2: Did you miss that wicked bloody full moon last night? Even though I'm vampire-alligned, it made me want to HOWWWWLL! AROOOO! Battle On!
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Rune_knight80
Rune_knight80: theres a glitch when he pass the church where in the forest when you walk to a rock you start climbing up nothing and you levitate also theres a really bad bug in aqw that i went and killed the mana golem it dropped contract and totem killed itr a second time right after second contract and totem:( and people say dage is desperate i didnt even accept mini milt quest please fix this
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Brendan
Brendan: like the alpha test, little glitchy though so i dont ever want to play it again(jk i know its an alpha i know it will get better, ive been playing ae since 2007). like the idea of an art contest, i think i would need to be a better artist to have a chance though lol. the mouse mouvement thing, i think it gos a bit to fast, when the actual game up, make a setting for how much your mouse effects it, right now i just use buttons instead cause when you move an inch with you mouse you do a 275 degree turn and your just like where am i? will the weps and shoulders and helms go rare or just become starting gear? will that chest become an alpha thing that will be total epic awesomeness? so many questions, but not really any i expect an answer to because this is an alpha, good luck AE, being have seen what you have done i know you can do it, but please, if someone accidently puts an extra t on the word but just star it out, dont mute them on this game like in aqw
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JajaMasterDarkMaster
JajaMasterDarkMaster: OMG
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Ben28will
Ben28will: shock
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AresYudha
AresYudha: i cant load my game in up the cilent is wirte fatal eror:null /and it's just loading core asset
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KingChickin
KingChickin: I hope the beta servers go on again soon, I couldn't last time because I didn't downgrade my flash player.
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Serious
Serious: I HAVE A SOLUTION TO YOUR PROBLEM! *pants* *gasps for air* OK! MY SOLUTION IS: WHY DON'T YOU DEVELOP YOUR GAME ON HTML5? YOU CAN GET UNITY 12 AND---MAGIC!
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KJinx101
KJinx101: A.E., i cant log in to the beta test. it always stops on building level. i reported this as "speedmeteor101" on the forums as a bug, but i don't know if its something I'm doing wrong please help me or PM me or.... i don't know. I agonized myself wishing to play by watching youtube videos on the alpha test and i really want. to play... please my life is slipping out by the second( no litteraly in this shape ill die in like 7 or 8 decades. if i might become undead just to play if it if it doesnt work. PLEASE HELP ME! thx team by-bye. [:D}
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Danis delaverdy
Danis delaverdy: i just wanna say one thing, I really want to play this awesome game soon or i will lost my mind
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Blanefire
Blanefire: um yeah THE WiNNING MONSTER WILL BE SNUFFULUKAGALAMUNDO
I WIN YEAH
MAKE ME FREE MEMBER IF I WIN PLEASE
HA
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Taurok
Taurok: I can't even open the game.
A question, will non-member's be able to play the game before it's released? I wanna get cool things, but i can't pay for the membership.
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reaper227543
reaper227543: I was waiting so badly for the game to be released, so when will it be released to the free players and this is my first comment oyhaa!
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iampancake
iampancake: I have worse, when I start it wont let me choose my gender. It says it isnt sbesicified and I click save but nothing changes.
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gizmo1199
gizmo1199: when i try to get flash 11.2 it stops half way through the download
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Brendan
Brendan: taurok, i dont know if you were here when aqw was first created,during the alpha testing phase, only people who were upgraded could get on, then it went to the beta test, the beta test everyone could play, they are probably going to do the same with aq3d, let people with upgrades first on b4 ive release, and then while the game is still being made let the free players in, they wont leave a bunch of people out, dont worry.
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Jolisa
Jolisa: I cant downgrade my flash, so i cant log on now...does this mean I cant get the alpha points? :O
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AresYudha
AresYudha: I Can Join It Wirte Invalid Imput On Login

IM A DRAGONFABLE UPGRATER
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